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Post  yak Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:20 pm

basically for schemes and diagrams rather then learning in words for example this artery goes to his artery giving this branch and the locations etc... its easier to learn a diargram of the artery and its locations related to other structures and if you can produce a diagram of it in your exam they get impressed. So basically learn it like a picture form instead of words... As i said a good book for this is instant anatomy but also the 3 books of human anatomy by BD chaurasia are very good i used them for alot of things diagrams especially because they draw them in easy to learn ways and they are good revision books as they explain things very well in my opinion if anyone wishes to borrow them for photoopying or just to borrow them i can ledn them providing i get them back at some point hehe... Also im sure if you ask the pofessor kindly he will write it in capitals for you but obviously make sure you ask politely!

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Post  hakimi_2805 Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:47 pm

Can anyone explain more about learning the anatomy from the diagrams n schemes? study
And is it possible if we ask Prof Holibka to write all of the terms in CAPITAL LETTERS? This is because i have to struggle hardly to understand what did he wrote on the blackboard.. confused

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Post  yak Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:55 pm

just on the anatomy part when i did the exam it went well and my tips are learn diagrams and schemes and im 100% sure i am not the only one who will say this... its easier then rememebring words and kutal i know especially loves them (i know this as he taught me for 2 yrs and examined me) and ive heard from others holibka loves them even more. I agree with russell thiemes is very complex and its very boring to read but i still used it, but i know many didnt, netters is fantastic. Theres another book which was brillitant for diagrams its called: instant anatomy by robert h whitaker. theory wise the book isnt great but for diagrams of arteries,veins, nerves (for 2nd yr) and general schemes i thought it was brilliant, so might be easier to borrow a book from someone i know people have it and photocopy the pictures out of it.
also again agree with russell about biology, i learnt it all very very well i made some notes which are still being used by people ill try and dig them up if i can and give them to you guys. but the point is i learnt it very well and not only did it make the biology exam pretty easy but it gave a good foundation for physiology and even histology in the second year, and then as russell said pathology and even pathophysiologyy in the 3rd year, it was my fav first year subject Very Happy
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Post  Russell Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:05 pm

Hello Fifie,

I felt exactly the same about Prof. Holibka's lectures. Honestly, I found it difficult to learn from them.

I always tried to keep up with him, but inevitably I always fell behind. Some of the students in my class did not copy the diagrams, but instead just listened and tried to understand what was being drawn, perhaps you could try this.

In any learning situation, the best way is to do it actively, which means you put the knowledge in, and then put it out again either by answering questions, testing yourself, teaching someone else or making notes.

The problem with making notes is that it is very slow, and can often simply be like re-writing a book.

I think you should test what kind of learner you are. Since we are all different, you may need a completely different learning style from me. If you sit passively in the class, without drawing, but if you carefully follow what Prof. Holibka draws, you may remember more than when you are struggling to draw and colour in.

I know what you mean about following the schedule, there are many problems like this in the university. These are some of the things that we hope to solve via PEPA.

If we get enough students who all voice the same concern about a lecture e.g. not following the schedule and thus preventing you from preparing, then it is possible to influence things to change.

Perhaps you can ask Prof. Holibka what he will lecture on in the next lecture, that would at least give you some guideline. If he tells you one area, and then changes it, keep asking at the end of each lecture, and it is possible that he will realise that you are trying to prepare for lectures in advance. If not, you could tell him kindly that you are having trouble keeping up, and that you need to know what the next lecture will be on, so you can prepare yourself.

Please tell me what happens here. Hopefully Prof. Holibka will still remember me after my performance in my anatomy finals, it was my favourite subject and I could possibly talk to him about this problem.

Ask your friends if they are also having trouble keeping up with him (chances are they do have problems) and then the simplest solution would be to get Prof. H to stick the schedule so that you would be familiar with what you are going to draw before the class starts - that would certainly speed up the drawing process.

Are you having any other difficulties, or any questions?

As for books, by the end of the week I will have the proper book list up on the website along with places to get them.

Take a look at the medical website section for more sources.

Take care and keep in touch about your experiences here,

Russ

P.S. do you have Thieme's Locomotor Anatomy Atlas or Netter's Anatomy Atlas?
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Post  fifie Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:06 pm

thanks for the guides shred..i'm in my first year..frankly i'm still adapting myself to Holibka's lecture..ho goes too fast , and sometimes i don't know where to find ( in books ) of what he was teaching at that period of time..he dont even follows the schedule which unable us to prepare before the lecture..do you experience this similar things before?

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Post  hakimi_2805 Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:08 pm

That was truly amazing!! I will forward these tips & suggestions to the others. Thank you so much!! We (1st year students) appreciate it a lot!! If i have anymore questions,i will ask you more ok?



Dekuji mockrat... Very Happy

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Post  Russell Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:34 pm

Hello Hakimi,


ANATOMY
Firstly, try to save time on anatomy, so you will have time for other subjects.
How?
Learn interactively. If you just read, it will take ages. If you go to the dissection room, and get a colleague to stand with the book to test you, you will memorise things much faster. Then return the favour and test your friend.

I think I will run an anatomy class for the first and second years, whether or not I win this silly election (you know people say I do stuff just for votes-considering I taught anatomy even before PEPA existed, it's not really true!)

Don't try to learn from Thieme's anatomy, it is too complex. Learn from being in the dissection room, and netters, and then use Thieme's for revision, at least it worked for me...

CZECH
Save time with Czech too...

Speak to people in Czech and make as many mistakes as possible, don't worry about looking silly - people here respect those who at least try to learn the language. Anywhere you go, e.g. shops and also with your teachers, try all the time, it will make things much faster for you.

Carry a small book with you and write any Czech word you learn, along with the English translation. At the end of the week, read your new vocab. I read out any new vocab aloud, and pronounce it properly, seven times. It makes it easier to remember.

CHEMISTRY
This is easy if you do a little each week. Select as many structures that you think you can remember for one week, and before you go to bed, try to scribble them from memory, and do it each day until you remember them.

Do the same for formulas, e.g. michaelis menten. Some people will tell you that you will never need this stuff in medicine. That is partly true, but it depends on what area of medicine you will specialise in. My attitude to this is it is better to know more, than to know less and end up killing someone.

Also, chem will help your understanding of biochem in 2nd year, pharm in 3rd/4th, and certainly anything that helps your pharmacology is good for medicine.


BIOPHYSICS
Make sure you write all that you do in your biophysics class, and then type out the experiment the night you do it. This will save you hours and hours near the end of the semester when you have to write all the experiments up to get your credit.

BIOLOGY
If you did not do A-Level biology, then this is a tough subject. I LOVE bio, and would happily give a class on it if anyone wants. This is a large subject, and it relates to EVERYTHING.

If you want top grades in later years, try to read the whole of the ECB bio book, because it will give you an excellent foundation for pathology in 3rd year. Ignore those who say it is unnecessary, because they are not doctors yet, so I find it hard to see how they know what is necessary or not!

I can make up some questions for bio, and if you would be interested, I will put them here for you to test yourselves.

HISTOLOGY

With histo (second semester) you lay your foundations for pathology too, and it goes hand in hand with everything from micro, to pharm. So, quickest, most effective way of learning? Again, test yourself. Don't just stare at slides. Ask the teachers for an unmarked slide set (i.e. the ones without lables) and then test yourself on each slide, write your answer and check it in a book.

If Junqueira Histo bores you, take a look at this!
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/webpath.html

it has lots of details, you won't know half of what is there now, but if you look, read and get familiar with the terms, then when you sit in histo or patho lectures, you won't fall asleep, instead you will think "ah, that's what AAT means!".



Latin
With this, practice in class is key. If you like, I will try to organise a latin class also.


In general, my kind advice to you is this. If you get lazy (we all do), then think of how embarrassing it would be if you are a doc, and your consultant asks you something, in front of a bunch of other docs, and you don't know, or give a wrong answer.

Then think how bad it would be if you give the wrong treatment and a patient suffers as a result?

Also, think about what it would be like if you want to help your family, but you can't remember key areas in pharm or pathology, so you can't help them?

Sure, these things are extreme situations, but as a doc, you will be expected to know everything about what you're doing.

It is a pain to study sometimes, but it is excellent to get it right when you know your stuff.

This is a very rough guide, I will make something more official, get it printed and handed out to you, like what I did with the welcome pack. Give me 2 weeks, and I'll have the appropriate books, and any other advice I can give you.


Take care,

Russ
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Post  hakimi_2805 Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:36 pm

Hello..
I'm a 1st year student & i just want to ask some suggestions,opinions,tips or anything else from you (Russel) about how to manage time & divide the time equally to study all subjects. This is because most of the things that i learnt from the lectures & classes are new & unfamiliar to me especially in the Anatomy. I take quite a long time to study,learn & memorize all of the terms in the Anatomy & this is not good because i also have to study other subjects. So,can you give some opinions regarding this matter? This is not just for me but for the other students as well.

Dekuji.. Smile

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Post  Russell Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:34 pm

Hello Medics!

Here is the place to ask one another about medically related questions, and questions relating to our studies. If there is enough diversity, then we can categorise them in to subjects, but for now, here is the place to put any questions pertaining to medicine.

If you have a question, please feel free to post a new topic. If you make it clear what you are asking, then you are more likely to get a good answer!

Enjoy

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